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Rena I think you need to note that the articles you have listed refer to rosemary essential oil. The recipe given was for crushed rosemary or asprig of fresh rosemary doused with hot water. I don't think it would have the same effect as the esssential oil. However, it is well known that many essential oils can have adverse effects on pets.

For my part, even though it refers to rosemary oil, I don't think I would want to take any chances even with the fresh rosemary. I remember reading once that a dog had a reaction to an essential oil (can't remember which one) by being in the same room so you just can't be too careful.

Wendy

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, Rena Evans <renarevans@cox.net> wrote:

> From: Rena Evans <renarevans@cox.net>
> Subject: [HolisticPet] Air freshener Rosemary use Epilepsy
> To: HolisticPet@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 11:14 AM
> After asking if this formula would
> work for a dog with epilepsy, Leslee contacted me off list.
> She and I both came to the conclusion that because of the
> rosemary being used, that it would not be wise to use it. I
> have found several articles to back this up. I would hate
> for anyone that has an epi dog like myself to trigger a
> seizure by using this.
>
> http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/aromatherapy/30175
>
> http://www.ooffoo.com/listing/Using-herbs-for-health---rosemary-sage-and-thyme.aspx
>
> http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/essential_oil.htm
>
> Thanks Leslee for helping me find out the information
> needed on this subject.
>
> Rena Evans
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   --- In HolisticPet@yahoogroups.com,
> "Dal Pal \(NSY\)" <nospam101y@...>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > "Take a BIG fat lemon (the more rind the
> better) and slice it paper thin.
>   > Put in a bowl with a tablespoon of crushed
> rosemary leaves (or a 6 inch
>   > sprig of fresh). Pour over with a quart of hot,
> near boiling water. Let
>   > steep overnight. Not
>   > only for the dogs, but for us when we go hiking
> or walking in the woods.
>   No
>   > bug will get near this stuff. And, of course,
> it's all natural."
>   > Leslee
>   .
>
>
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>
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My thoughts on the dog food coop.

I belong to a human Whole Foods Coop. It costs each of us to get the catalog every month. That's payable to the Whole Foods business who delivers to us. I think it's $16 a year but just last month there was a letter sent out that the only way they will send the catalog now is if $2.50 is inclued in the previous month's order for each catalog we need. Right now we are not always successful in having the minimum $750 order for them to even look at us. When we were Blooming Prairie out of Minnesota, it was easier but I suppose no matter whether Whole Foods bought them out or not, some money charges would have changed by now. Ours is strictly a volunteer organization but we do have to pay for the use of the VFW building where the semi comes to unload. So there are expenses. And the person who organizes and sends in the order uses a LOT of personal time doing it. On delivery day, the members are responsible for unloading the semi, grouping the orders for
each member, and collecting the money. It's a LOT of work! The bookkeeping involved makes me want to throw up when they ask if anyone could help/take over. I would unload the truck every day rather than do the bookkeeping!

To get back to pet food coops. I have an account with two different warehouses that supply pet/farm items to retail stores in this area. It's cheaper, that's for sure, for me to buy a couple of hundred dollars worth of dog food at wholesale cost rather than retail. I would have a tough time paying retail for my crew. I have thought many times if I could get enough people to order with me, I could meet the minimum dollar amount and then be able to order more often (fresher product) and not have such an enormous cash outlay all at one time. That would put me in charge of ordering, recieving, grouping according to who ordered what, collecting the money and making copies of the catalog available to everyone at my expense. I get a catalog from the wholesaler but those catalogs cost money and they don't give them away easily. (I work full time in publishing so I know!) Not to mention making sure that eveyone has their order in by order day and absorbing the
cost when someone bails. Been there, done that.

So I guess, if you want the products you see through the coop, decide whether you can buy them for a better price on your own. If you can, and if driving wherever you need to go to get the products, then by all means, don't join a coop. If you can't and the convienience of having someone be responsible for the things you want is worth a few bucks to you, then the coop would help you out for very little added cash. When I order something on the net (because I live in the boondocks) I decide whether I am likely to find that item next time I take a shopping trip to the next town, how desperately I need it, and if the shipping compares to a 100+ mile round trip for me to drive after it. And what if after I drive 50+ miles and spend another 20 miles driving all over town I don't find what I want anyway? And what if I do find it and it costs more than the item plus shipping on line? All things to consider. I am the Queen of Tightwads but I know when I'm beat.
So I just pay the money and quit thinking about it. When you fill your truck up at the pump, you gripe but you pay for it and life goes on. Same with pet food.

 Toni in zone 4 Iowa USA

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Thanks for the update, Wendy! The recipe I sent was exactly what I got from
the other list. Didn't add/delete anything but will in the future. I don't
use the tea tree oil but would hate to think someone used the recipe with
tea tree oil and then had problems. Learn something new every day!
Leslee

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To: HolisticPet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HolisticPet] Re: Air freshener - Do Not Use TEE TREE OIL

I was alarmed to read this recipe and the suggestion that you add a teaspoon
of tee tree oil. I know there are many who use tee tree oil, especially
those of you in Australia/NewZealand but there have been many reported cases
of tee tree oil killing cats and small dogs. It may be that you can use it
for years and it won't have an effect or it could be that you use it and
have a disastrous outcome. Small animals who injest it from washing
themselves have been effected and a number died. Larger dogs do not seem to
be effected.

Therer are many articles on the internet if you would like to do research of
your own. I don't want to start a debate but I do feel everyone should know
the pros and cons before making a choice to use it. Here is just one I
found:

http://www.messybeast.com/teatree.htm

Wendy

--- In HolisticPet@yahoogroups.com, "Dal Pal \(NSY\)" <nospam101y@...>
wrote:
>
> "Take a BIG fat lemon (the more rind the better) and slice it paper thin.
> Put in a bowl with a tablespoon of crushed rosemary leaves (or a 6 inch
> sprig of fresh). Pour over with a quart of hot, near boiling water. Let
> steep overnight. Strain and put into a large spray bottle. Keep in fridge.
> Shake well before applying. The d-lemeone in this spray along with the
> rosemary oil will give your dog a beautiful shiney coat and keep fleas and
> other bugs away .. including mosquitoes, so you get extra heartworm
> protection. If your dog has dry skin or allergies add a teaspoon of tea
tree oil and a tablespoon of Aloe pulp. Use the spray at least twice a week
to
> keep the scent on the coat to repell bugs, and spray it around your doors
> and through the carpets. If it's a bad flea time, spray daily on the belly
> and feet to repell them. This has worked wonders for us for many years.
Not
> only for the dogs, but for us when we go hiking or walking in the woods.
No
> bug will get near this stuff. And, of course, it's all natural."
> Leslee
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< Combine all of the
ingredients in a 10-quart stockpot (stainless steel, please) with
enough water to cover. Bring to a boil, then turn down the heat as low
as possible and simmer for 2 hours (the carrots should be quite soft at
the end of the cooking time). Remove from the heat, let cool, and
debone the chicken. <<

I make one very similar to this but I pressure cook the bones for 2-2 1//2  hours and mix those in, too. The turkey or chicken bones are soft enough you can cut them with a table knife or just break the bigger bones apart with your fingers. Most of my dogs are big so I don't usually bother with the breaking part unless I have a big enough batch that I am going to portion them into freezer bags. Otherwise I just use out of the big pan I cooked everything in.

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After asking if this formula would work for a dog with epilepsy, Leslee contacted me off list. She and I both came to the conclusion that because of the rosemary being used, that it would not be wise to use it. I have found several articles to back this up. I would hate for anyone that has an epi dog like myself to trigger a seizure by using this.

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/aromatherapy/30175

http://www.ooffoo.com/listing/Using-herbs-for-health---rosemary-sage-and-thyme.aspx

http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/essential_oil.htm

Thanks Leslee for helping me find out the information needed on this subject.

Rena Evans

--- In HolisticPet@yahoogroups.com, "Dal Pal \(NSY\)" <nospam101y@...>
wrote:
>
> "Take a BIG fat lemon (the more rind the better) and slice it paper thin.
> Put in a bowl with a tablespoon of crushed rosemary leaves (or a 6 inch
> sprig of fresh). Pour over with a quart of hot, near boiling water. Let
> steep overnight. Not
> only for the dogs, but for us when we go hiking or walking in the woods.
No
> bug will get near this stuff. And, of course, it's all natural."
> Leslee
.

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Following are a few recipes from The Whole Pet Diet that not only contain healthy basics like meat and vegetables, but also vitamins and minerals contained in herbs and other supplements. The most important thing to remember when it comes to feeding your pet is to try and get them as many whole foods as possible, some uncooked, food that would be suitable for you to eat yourself. ______________________________________________________________________________ Spot's Chicken Stew (for dogs and cats) yields 20 cups with serving sizes as follows: 1-1/2 cups to 10 pounds; 2-3 cups 11-20 pounds; 4 cups 21-40 pounds; for each additional 20 pounds add 2 cups 2 ½ pounds whole chicken or turkey (bones, organs, skin and all) ¼ cup chopped fresh garlic 1 cup green peas 1 cup coarsely chopped carrots ½ cup coarsely chopped sweet potato ½ cup coarsely chopped zucchini ½ cup coarsely chopped yellow squash ½ cup coarsely chopped green beans ½ cup coarsely chopped celery 1 Tbsp kelp powder 1 Tbsp dried rosemary 11-16 cups springwater For dogs only: Add 8 ounces whole barley and 6 ounces rolled oats and adjust the water content to a total of 16 cups or enough to cover the ingredients (I don't recommend the grains portion for cats). Combine all of the ingredients in a 10-quart stockpot (stainless steel, please) with enough water to cover. Bring to a boil, then turn down the heat as low as possible and simmer for 2 hours (the carrots should be quite soft at the end of the cooking time). Remove from the heat, let cool, and debone the chicken. With an electric hand mixer, or using a food processor and working in batches, blend all the ingredients into a nice puree; the stew should be slightly thicker for dogs and more soupy for cats. Using ziplock bags or plastic yogurt containers, make up meal-sized portions. Refrigerate what you'll need for three days and freeze the rest. __________________________________________________________________ Jack the Cat's Turkey Tetrazzini yields about 10 cups w/serving size ½ cup 1 ¼ pounds ground turkey ½ pound yellow squash or pumpkin, coarsely chopped ½ pound celery, coarsely chopped ¼ pound chicken or turkey liver 1 Tbsp kelp powder 5-7 cups springwater Combine all of the ingredients in a stainless steel pot with enough water to cover. Bring to a boil, then lower the heat and simmer for 30 minutes, or until the vegetables are tender. Remove from the heat and let cool. With an electric hand mixer, or using a food processor and working in batches, blend all the ingredients into a nice puree. Using ziplock bags or plastic yogurt containers, make up meal-sized portions and freeze whatever you won't use within 3 days. __________________________________________________________________ Bravo's Bodacious Hearty Burger Stew yields about 8 cups with serving sizes as follows: 1-1/2 cups to 10 pounds; 2-3 cups 11-20 pounds; 4 cups 21-40 pounds; for each additional 20 pounds add 2 cups 1 pound ground beef or turkey ½ pound millet ½ pound spinach, chopped ½ pound carrots, coarsely chopped 2 cloves garlic, chopped 2 Tbsp kelp powder 4-6 cups springwater Combine all of the ingredients in a stainless steel pot with enough water to cover. Bring to a boil, then lower the heat and simmer for 30 minutes, or until the carrots are tender. Remove from the heat and let cool. With an electric hand mixer, or a food processor and working in batches, blend all the ingredients into a nice puree. Using ziplock bags or plastic yogurt containers, make up meal-sized portions and freeze whatever you won't use in 3 to 4 days. __________________________________________________________________ SPECIAL TREATS FOR YOUR PET: Voyko's Paw-Lickin' Liver Treats yields 40 1-ounce servings 3 pounds chicken or turkey liver Fresh or dried oregano (optional) Fresh or dried rosemary (optional) Minced fresh garlic (optional) Preheat oven to 325°F. Place the liver on a large baking pan and sprinkle the herbs on top. Bake for about 30 minutes. Remove from the oven and let cool, then dice the liver into 1-inch cubes. Put a few ounces into individual ziplock bags and freeze the portions that won't be eaten right away. Your healthy, homemade treats will stay fresh in the refrigerator for 2-3 days, and up to a month in the freezer. Voyko's Liver and Greens Shake yields 4 ½ cup servings 1 Tbsp butter ½ pound fresh liver (beef, chicken, turkey or duck) ½ tsp garlic powder ½ tsp dried rosemary ¼ cup chopped alfalfa sprouts 1 Tbsp chopped fresh parsley ¼ cup yogurt ¼ cup grated carrot Melt the butter in a skillet over medium heat. Sauté the liver, turning frequently until lightly browned all sides. Add the garlic powder and rosemary, then turn off the heat and cool to room temperature. Transfer to a food processor, add the alfalfa sprouts, parsley, yogurt, and carrot, and pulse until thick and creamy. Other healthy treats: For dogs and cats Cantaloupe balls A whole, raw organic egg beaten together well with yogurt or cottage cheese Organic baby food Yogurt mixed with a few raspberries or blueberries Sardines (fresh or frozen) Organic cheese on a salt-free cracker Veggies for dogs: Celery sticks (plain or with unsalted peanut butter or cottage cheese) Carrot sticks (plain or with yogurt) Apple slices (with or without peanut butter) Green beans Donna ACS

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Here is an explanation I found about food co-ops http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-food-co-op.htm Donna ACS --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Paula <Paula@hbeark.com> wrote: From: Paula <Paula@hbeark.com> Subject: [HolisticPet2] Re: Raw Food Co-op membership fee To: HolisticPet2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 10:12 PM This fee/charge isn't setting well. I thought the whole point of being part of a co-op was to get better prices by buying in bulk. The only one anywhere near where I live is all dry items - grains, nuts, etc. They do have a store where you can buy smaller quantities of things but they will order whatever they have access to for you. You just have to take the size package it comes in and you have to pick the order up promptly. The benefit to them is getting better prices on what they sell. There is no fee for ordering in bulk from them. I keep saying 'them' - it is one woman. She does nothing for you expect place your order. You bring your own carriers, put your order together, and load it. She checks what you pick up against her record of your order and you pay her. If you buy things in the store, that is treated separately. Paying a fee sounds like Sam's Club! Paula

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There is a lot of information on the internet about tea tree oil. In fact most esssential oils should not be used on cats specifically but the tea tree oil seems to have had a toxic effect on both cats and small dogs. It has a cummulative result because it can built up in the system.

Here is more information for you to consider.

http://www.healthmad.com/Alternative/What-are-the-Little-Known-Dangers-of-Tea-Tree-Oil.573905

http://www.veterinarywatch.com/Abstract-tea-tree-oil.htm

http://jvdi.org/cgi/reprint/10/2/208.pdf

Wendy

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, wendy4hutch <wendy4hutch@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: wendy4hutch <wendy4hutch@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [HolisticPet] Re: Air freshener - Do Not Use TEE TREE OIL
> To: HolisticPet@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:19 AM
> I was alarmed to read this recipe and
> the suggestion that you add a teaspoon of tee tree oil. I
> know there are many who use tee tree oil, especially those
> of you in Australia/NewZealand but there have been many
> reported cases of tee tree oil killing cats and small dogs.
> It may be that you can use it for years and it won't have an
> effect or it could be that you use it and have a disastrous
> outcome. Small animals who injest it from washing themselves
> have been effected and a number died. Larger dogs do not
> seem to be effected.
>
> Therer are many articles on the internet if you would like
> to do research of your own. I don't want to start a debate
> but I do feel everyone should know the pros and cons before
> making a choice to use it. Here is just one I found:
>
>          http://www.messybeast.com/teatree.htm
>
> Wendy
>
> --- In HolisticPet@yahoogroups.com,
> "Dal Pal \(NSY\)" <nospam101y@...> wrote:
> >
> > Here's the recipe. It makes quite a bit and will spoil
> even being kept in
> > fridge so last time I made a double recipe and froze
> in small containers.
> > Enough for 2 (for me and Mom) very small spray
> bottles. Bought them at
> > Wal-Mart.
> >
> > "Take a BIG fat lemon (the more rind the better) and
> slice it paper thin.
> > Put in a bowl with a tablespoon of crushed rosemary
> leaves (or a 6 inch
> > sprig of fresh). Pour over with a quart of hot, near
> boiling water. Let
> > steep overnight. Strain and put into a large spray
> bottle. Keep in fridge.
> > Shake well before applying. The d-lemeone in this
> spray along with the
> > rosemary oil will give your dog a beautiful shiney
> coat and keep fleas and
> > other bugs away .. including mosquitoes, so you get
> extra heartworm
> > protection. If your dog has dry skin or allergies add
> a teaspoon of tea tree oil and a tablespoon of Aloe pulp.
> Use the spray at least twice a week to
> > keep the scent on the coat to repell bugs, and spray
> it around your doors
> > and through the carpets. If it's a bad flea time,
> spray daily on the belly
> > and feet to repell them. This has worked wonders for
> us for many years. Not
> > only for the dogs, but for us when we go hiking or
> walking in the woods. No
> > bug will get near this stuff. And, of course, it's all
> natural."
> >
> > I've also seen the recipe with 2 lemons and with Neem
> oil added.
> >
> > My first batch I used 1 lemon and stripped the leaves
> from a couple of
> > sprigs of rosemary. Lemon was normal size and pale
> rather than deep yellow.
> > It was very hard and had a thick rind. I strained the
> mixture so it wouldn't
> > clog the sprayer but those were the only changes for
> the first batch.
> >
> > Second batch I did basically the same thing but before
> straining, I
> > hand-squeezed all the lemon and rosemary before
> straining to get as much
> > d-lemeone into the mixture as possible. Fragrance is
> much stronger and seems
> > to work much better.
> >
> > For this last batch (actually 2 batches combined into
> one), I didn't use
> > quite as much water and used the remainder of the
> rosemary (almost a whole
> > package from the store). I split it between 2 bowls
> and also broke the stems
> > and added them to the mix. I haven't gotten to this
> batch yet but I'm sure
> > it will work at least as well as the previous ones.
> >
> > Altho it says to spray 2 x week, that did not work for
> me in the beginning
> > so I started at 4 x week. Now they get sprayed every
> 2-3 days and it seems
> > to be working. I used to get lots of bugs and spiders
> around the outside
> > door (we live in the basement) and they would scoot
> into the house when the
> > door was opened. Now when I spritz the dogs I also
> spritz around the outside
> > of the door. Seems to be keeping the bugs and spiders
> at bay.
> >
> > I also sprinkle food-grade DE around the perimeter of
> my house and fenced
> > yard and spray the yard with Mosquito Barrier. Of all
> these, I think the
> > only one that kills the ticks is the DE; others just
> chase them away. But
> > maybe after a couple of years they will decide this is
> not the yard to go
> > searching for a blood meal. <g>
> >
> > Leslee
> >
>
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